Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/26/2002 03:20 PM House MLV

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
HB 324-HOMELAND SECURITY APPROPRIATIONS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT announced the final  order of business, HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  324, "An  Act making  supplemental and  other appropriations                                                               
for homeland security; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2490                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  SLAGLE,  Director,  Division of  Administrative  Services,                                                               
Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities  (DOT&PF), came                                                               
forward  to discuss  DOT&PF's requests  [listed  in the  document                                                               
titled "Terrorism  Disaster Policy  Cabinet:  Cost  Estimates for                                                               
Highest Priority Recommendations," dated 1/14/02].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  first addressed Item  107 ["Northern  Region Highways                                                               
and Aviation:   Add municipal law enforcement  officers for rural                                                               
airports to meet FAA's mandatory  15 minute response time"].  She                                                               
indicated the  request is  for FY 03  and a  supplemental request                                                               
for FY  02, and  is for  contract officers.   Although  the total                                                               
listed is $1,596,000, Ms. Slagle  pointed out that the department                                                               
had submitted amendments to OMB  [Office of Management & Budget],                                                               
which the committee should probably  receive tomorrow.  The total                                                               
request for [Item  107] will be $158,100:  $88,100  for FY 02 and                                                               
$70,000 for FY 03.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  explained that following  the [terrorist]  attacks on                                                               
September  11   there  was  a   push  by  the   Federal  Aviation                                                               
Administration (FAA) to  increase security at all  airports.  One                                                               
requirement  was  ensuring  local  law  enforcement  presence  at                                                               
Alaska's  16  certificated  airports  -  those  that  accommodate                                                               
airlines [carrying] 60 passengers or  more:  Barrow, Bethel, Cold                                                               
Bay,  Cordova,  Deadhorse,  Dillingham,  Gustavus,  King  Salmon,                                                               
Kodiak,  Kotzebue, Nome,  Petersburg, Sitka,  Unalaska, Wrangell,                                                               
and  Yakutat.   This  was  in addition  to  the  presence of  the                                                               
National  Guard, she  indicated.    She noted  that  the FAA  has                                                               
specific  requirements for  those airports  under Section  107 of                                                               
the  C.F.R.   [Code  of  Federal  Regulations]   with  regard  to                                                               
"aviation security items."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  said [DOT&PF] had  done what it could  using whatever                                                               
was    available    in   communities,    including    contractual                                                               
relationships  with  [security  firms].   Other  requirements  of                                                               
rural  airports   included  a  300-foot  setback   for  vehicles.                                                               
Because of  the high  cost, [DOT&PF]  had requested  and recently                                                               
received waivers  from the  FAA for  Alaska's rural  airports for                                                               
those two specific  areas:  the [local]  law enforcement presence                                                               
and  the  300-foot setback.    Thus  the department's  [requested                                                               
amount] has  dropped substantially  because of no  longer needing                                                               
to  provide that  24-hour-a-day  law enforcement  presence at  or                                                               
near those  rural airports.   In response to Chair  Chenault, Ms.                                                               
Slagle  explained that  Juneau hasn't  been included  because its                                                               
airport  isn't  state-operated, but  said  to  her belief  it  is                                                               
pursuing a waiver as well.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2740                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI   requested  clarification   about  the                                                               
mandatory  15-minute  response  time  and  whether  it  has  been                                                               
waived.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE answered that it  means law enforcement people must be                                                               
within 15 minutes of the airport  - available and close enough so                                                               
that  if  something happens  at  the  airport, they  can  respond                                                               
immediately.   That hasn't  been waived.   Rather,  the full-time                                                               
law  enforcement  presence  has  been waived.    There  are  some                                                               
projected expenditures  for FY  03, Ms. Slagle  pointed out.   In                                                               
the  Southeast  Region, for  example,  there  will be  additional                                                               
costs  for Gustavus,  where [the  state] has  no law  enforcement                                                               
presence  now.   There  is considerable  [summer] activity  there                                                               
because  of  the  tourist industry,  and  Alaska  Airlines  flies                                                               
there.   Thus [DOT&PF]  will have  to hire  [a security  firm] to                                                               
provide that 15-minute [response time].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2825                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  asked  why Alaska  Airlines  personnel                                                               
posted at  a security checkpoint  [in Gustavus] couldn't  be used                                                               
while the airport is open.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  answered that  it is  the state's  responsibility and                                                               
that  she doesn't  believe Alaska  Airlines would  be willing  to                                                               
provide  the needed  assistance beyond  baggage screening  and so                                                               
forth.   The state also needs  to check perimeters, to  make sure                                                               
somebody is  there to respond to  any incident, and so  on.  "The                                                               
FAA guidelines  are pretty specific on  how we need to  deal with                                                               
it and respond to those security items," she added.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  noted  that  security  people  at  the                                                               
airport aren't Alaska Airlines [personnel].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SLAGLE  concurred.   With  regard  to the  baggage-screening                                                               
personnel, she  pointed out that  at the [Ted  Stevens] Anchorage                                                               
International  Airport, for  example, those  are provided  by the                                                               
airlines, not  the airport, although  in the future they  will be                                                               
federal  [employees].   It is  different  depending on  location:                                                               
rural airports are different from Anchorage's airport.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2918                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT asked whether there  is a federal mandate relating                                                               
to whether federal  employees, for example, are being  put in [as                                                               
security  personnel], in  stages, depending  on the  size of  the                                                               
airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SLAGLE pointed  out that  those  [federal] requirements  are                                                               
changing all  the time, and that  DOT&PF must keep up  with them.                                                               
She added that  on December 6, FAA also "did  some changes to the                                                               
14 C.F.R."  that required fingerprinting  of all  [individuals in                                                               
secure  areas  at  both rural  and  international  airports;  she                                                               
indicated   background  checks   are  required   for  all   those                                                               
individuals].   [The  last portion  isn't  on the  tape, but  was                                                               
transcribed from the Gavel to Gavel audio file.]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-13, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2972                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.    SLAGLE    mentioned    that   for    airport    personnel,                                                               
concessionaires,  or   others  with   access  to   secure  areas,                                                               
"badging" is  also required in the  rural airports.  Part  of the                                                               
[funding]  request is  to add  somebody who  can deal  with those                                                               
fingerprinting [and  badging] requirements.  Ms.  Slagle reported                                                               
that [DOT&PF]  has until December of  this year to make  sure all                                                               
existing  staff have  been fingerprinted  and  have had  criminal                                                               
background  checks; until  now, there  hasn't been  that type  of                                                               
security in rural airports,  including badging or fingerprinting.                                                               
She added, "That is a requirement that FAA will not waive."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CHENAULT offered  his assumption  that the  Central Region                                                               
and Southeast  Region will have  some modifications and  the same                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  responded that it  is part of the  amendment [DOT&PF]                                                               
is submitting:   for the Central Region, the  total [request] for                                                               
FY 02 and  FY 03 will drop to $129,000;  although she didn't have                                                               
the  amount for  the Southeast  Region, she  said that  also will                                                               
drop substantially.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2863                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.   SLAGLE  began   discussion  of   Item  115   ["Have  DOT/PF                                                               
maintenance  personnel check  key bridges  on a  daily basis  and                                                               
block  access to  roads under  bridges"], which  she said  has no                                                               
monetary  impact.    She  explained  that Item  115  is  to  have                                                               
existing maintenance people, as  they are "traveling through" and                                                               
doing their appointed  tasks on a daily basis, be  able to report                                                               
any suspicious activities  or anything out of  the ordinary about                                                               
which  they may  need to  contact law  enforcement agencies.   It                                                               
acknowledges  another level  of security  that those  maintenance                                                               
personnel need to  assume in their regular  job duties, including                                                               
the [need] to identify [suspicious  activities or anything out of                                                               
the ordinary]  to law enforcement or  investigative agencies, and                                                               
to know  what those may  be.  It  may require some  training, for                                                               
which [the department] has some federal dollars available.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2795                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI   asked  whether  right   now  [DOT&PF]                                                               
workers  have a  set schedule  for going  out and  observing road                                                               
conditions, for example.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SLAGLE affirmed  that, mentioning  the level  of maintenance                                                               
that happens on  the road system and the bridges;  the latter are                                                               
critical,  she said,  and are  more difficult  to deal  with than                                                               
regular roadways because of icing, for instance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MURKOWSKI   asked   whether   [the   maintenance                                                               
personnel] have a daily route on an individual basis.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE questioned  whether it would be on a  daily basis, but                                                               
said  [Item 115]  would be  part of  their responsibilities.   It                                                               
wouldn't  take them  out of  a set  routine or  divert them  from                                                               
their  regular activities,  but would  ensure that  those bridges                                                               
and areas are  being observed a little more carefully.   Prior to                                                               
September 11, it wasn't even an issue, she noted.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  requested clarification,  since  [Item                                                               
115] says the  bridges are to be  checked on a daily  basis.  She                                                               
said  it sounds  as though  it would  be in  addition to  regular                                                               
duties.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SLAGLE agreed  it  would  be an  addition  because, she  was                                                               
assuming,  they would  have  to  stop and  look  at a  particular                                                               
bridge,  for example,  which  takes time  [away]  from what  they                                                               
normally would do.   "But if they're going by  the bridge, ... it                                                               
certainly seems a reasonable thing for them to do," she added.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2664                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  addressed Item  128 ["Port  of Anchorage  Access Road                                                               
Security:   Provide increased security  at the Port  of Anchorage                                                               
Access Road"].  She explained that  it was "felt that there was a                                                               
requirement"  for  dealing  with   increased  security  into  the                                                               
Anchorage port facility  for road traffic.  The road  to the port                                                               
facility, a [DOT&PF]  road, is part of the  NHS [National Highway                                                               
System].   Probably in early  October, before the  freeze-up, the                                                               
guard shack for that  area was moved and a loop  was made so that                                                               
if vehicles going  up to the guard shack were  turned back, those                                                               
vehicles could  leave.   She offered  her understanding  that the                                                               
port  had  provided the  shack  and  moved it,  whereas  [DOT&PF]                                                               
basically did the  roadwork; she indicated that is  what Item 128                                                               
pays for.   Referring to  the amendment she'd  discussed earlier,                                                               
she pointed out  that part of it reduces [Item  128] from $30,000                                                               
to  $17,000,   which  reflects  [DOT&PF's]  actual   expenses  in                                                               
relation to this piece of road.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2584                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI pointed out  that she has been following                                                               
this particular issue because it  is "just below my district, and                                                               
we've  kind of  helped them  with ...  the security  component of                                                               
it"; she said  that seems to be working out  just fine.  However,                                                               
one  of her  concerns is  that  this is  an "interim  fix."   She                                                               
explained that there is a need  to tighten security into the port                                                               
area,  and yet  "the folks  within the  port," and  certainly the                                                               
truckers,  have been  clamoring for  years for  additional access                                                               
into and out of  the port.  After September 11,  there has been a                                                               
need to  restrict it  despite the desires  of [the  truckers, for                                                               
instance] to  have another  road, a tunnel,  or [the  ability to]                                                               
"cut  down  through  the  neighborhood."    She  added,  "They're                                                               
recognizing now that the security  component ... is very real and                                                               
very legitimate."  She continued:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     But now we're  talking about the possibility  of a Knik                                                                    
     Arm crossing, and the crossing  will come right through                                                                    
     that port area.   And it's not really an  issue ... for                                                                    
     this particular  measure that we  have in front  of us,                                                                    
     but  I  guess  I'd  just encourage  the  department  to                                                                    
     always  be conscious  of the  fact  that we  do have  a                                                                    
     security issue down  there in the port.  And  if we put                                                                    
     a  major thoroughfare  right through  the port,  you're                                                                    
     going to have some real serious security concerns.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2498                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SLAGLE  began  discussion   of  Item  133  ["Central  Region                                                               
Highways and  Aviation:  Purchase  short-term War  Risk Insurance                                                               
for rural airports and analyze  need for longer term insurance"].                                                               
[This discussion  also involves  Items 134  and 135,  relating to                                                               
the  Northern Region  and Southeast  Region, respectively.]   Ms.                                                               
Slagle explained that within days  of September 11, the insurance                                                               
industry  canceled   war-risk  and   terrorism-related  liability                                                               
insurance coverage  for all airports.   The  state administration                                                               
believed  it was  important to  continue to  have that  coverage,                                                               
however;  once  it became  available,  she  indicated, the  state                                                               
purchased [the  coverage] for  this year.   She deferred  to Brad                                                               
Thompson to answer questions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT requested that Mr.  Thompson explain not only what                                                               
the war-risk  insurance is, but also  what it has cost  the state                                                               
in the past and will likely cost in the future.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2434                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRAD THOMPSON, Director, Division  of Risk Management, Department                                                               
of  Administration,  explained  that his  division  operates  and                                                               
manages  the state's  self-insurance program;  it also  purchases                                                               
excess  catastrophe-level  [insurance]  for  the  huge  potential                                                               
liability arising  from "our operations" for  airports, aircraft,                                                               
and the spaceport.   Prior to September 11, [the  state] had $500                                                               
million  of  liability insurance  protection  for  which it  paid                                                               
$589,000 for  the current fiscal year.   That is just  one of the                                                               
"excess-insurance policies in our program,"  he said.  Another is                                                               
comprehensive  marine insurance  for the  marine highways,  which                                                               
has a  $250-million liability limit  for the value of  the vessel                                                               
and  injury   to  the  crew   or  passengers;  he   indicated  an                                                               
approximate cost of [$1,200,000] for that.  He explained:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     We purchased  the war-risk [insurance]  back.   And the                                                                    
     thing  you  have  to  understand   is,  for  those  two                                                                    
     specialty  insurances, there  is  an endorsement  added                                                                    
     in, as a normal course in  any renewal, for the acts of                                                                    
     terrorism,  sabotage.     And  it's   characterized  or                                                                    
     labeled "war risk." ... It  doesn't become effective if                                                                    
     you go  to war.   If the  U.S. actually engages  in war                                                                    
     with a  foreign power,  we lose  - that's  an automatic                                                                    
     termination.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  underwriters,  as  a policy  condition,  have  the                                                                    
     option  of  issuing a  notice  of  cancellation.   Now,                                                                    
     these  insurances are  placed with  Lloyd's of  London,                                                                    
     other  "major aerial  syndicate" London  companies, and                                                                    
     international  reinsurers.   All  of  the aviation  and                                                                    
     marine insurance,  post 9/11, including  these war-risk                                                                    
     endorsements, were  canceled -  not just  for airports,                                                                    
     [but  for]  all  aircraft  manufacturers,  all  airline                                                                    
     operators.   Congress passed a piece  of legislation to                                                                    
     protect the  aircraft [manufacturers] and  the aircraft                                                                    
     operators, with  a protection  provided by  the federal                                                                    
     government if they were canceled  and not able to renew                                                                    
     the war-risk  [insurance], and,  in fact,  continues to                                                                    
     protect them  above $100-million limits  with financing                                                                    
     from  the  U.S.  Treasury for  those  extra,  increased                                                                    
     premiums.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  airports  were  given   no  such  protection;  the                                                                    
     airports  attempted  to  get added  into  that  airline                                                                    
     transportation safety  Act, unsuccessfully.   That left                                                                    
     the airlines,  when it was available,  with the dilemma                                                                    
     of  purchasing back  the  protection  that [they]  had.                                                                    
     And, again,  it's the liability insurance:   if someone                                                                    
     was able to  gain access to an aircraft  through one of                                                                    
     our  airports,  do  damage  to  the  aircraft,  somehow                                                                    
     sabotage  that aircraft,  we  would  be, likely,  named                                                                    
     defendant  on a  liability claim,  as is  Logan Airport                                                                    
     for those flights arising on 9/11.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2255                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     So we  purchased back two  layers - a primary  layer of                                                                    
     $50 million and  an excess layer of $100  million - for                                                                    
     the airport  program; ... the  first primary  layer was                                                                    
     214,000  [dollars], and  the second  was 265  [thousand                                                                    
     dollars].   We [are] now protected  again for liability                                                                    
     arising from  not just the airports,  but our aircraft.                                                                    
     Our  aircraft  are fairly  small  in  size compared  to                                                                    
     airlines, et  cetera.   But our  major exposure  is our                                                                    
     airports  -  the  security   and  the  maintenance  and                                                                    
     operation of  those airports.   So we bought  [it] back                                                                    
     for the  airport, and  we also did  the same  thing for                                                                    
     the marine highways.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON   concluded  by  indicating  the   detailed  budget                                                               
itemizes  those  charges  incurred  to  date  for  [FY]  02,  and                                                               
projects  those for  [FY]  03; it  is broken  out  for the  major                                                               
airports at Anchorage  and Fairbanks, and then "the  rural or the                                                               
regional cost allocation."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2190                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT  offered his understanding:   before  September 11                                                               
there  was  $500 million  in  war-risk  insurance  at a  cost  of                                                               
$589,000, whereas today  there is $150 million  [of insurance] at                                                               
an approximate cost of $500,000.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON responded with the following clarification:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We have $500-million  limits, except for today.   So if                                                                    
     our  maintenance  somehow  [inappropriately]  leaves  a                                                                    
     piece  of   equipment  on   the  runway   at  Anchorage                                                                    
     International [Airport]  and a  jet goes down,  we have                                                                    
     that available to  us.  That's not arising  from an act                                                                    
     of  terrorism [or]  sabotage, ...  that other  category                                                                    
     labeled  "war  risk,"  which would  be  the  terrorism-                                                                    
     sabotage-type  activity  -  intentional damage.    That                                                                    
     would  be limited  to  $150 million  today,  ... at  an                                                                    
     additional cost of $480,000.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2140                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI requested  confirmation  that when  the                                                               
[war-risk insurance]  was canceled, the state  basically lost the                                                               
$589,000 it had paid in already.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON replied:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We retained  the coverage  that we  purchased.   But in                                                                    
     the policy form is a  condition that subject to certain                                                                    
     major world  events, or on  their own  initiative, they                                                                    
     can cancel this specialty  protection.  During the Gulf                                                                    
     War, we were issued a  notice of cancellation - we were                                                                    
     able to  purchase that  back for  a very  small amount,                                                                    
     under $25,000;  that was not something  that we brought                                                                    
     to [the  legislature's] attention  - we just  bought it                                                                    
     back as a matter of course.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     These costs were the greater  part of what we initially                                                                    
     paid for  the program. ...  We paid on a  per-$100 rate                                                                    
     for the program,  pre-9/11, 12 cents per  $100; we paid                                                                    
     32 cents to buy back the war-risk [insurance].                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON highlighted  other  airports as  an  example:   for                                                               
$150-million  limits,  Atlanta  paid  $3  million;  LAX  [in  Los                                                               
Angeles] paid  $1.8 million  for $50  million worth  of coverage;                                                               
and Chicago paid $10 million for  $150 million [of coverage].  He                                                               
cited  the figures,  on a  per-$100 basis,  of $3.60,  $2.00, and                                                               
$6.67  [respectively].   Mr.  Thompson  indicated  that the  more                                                               
major an  airport is,  and the  more toward  the East  Coast, the                                                               
higher the  rate.  He  added, "We paid  a different rate  for the                                                               
two pieces:   the 50 million [dollars] and then  the 100 [million                                                               
dollar]  excess,   but  it   averaged  32   cents  per   $100  of                                                               
protection."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT offered his understanding  that the "buy-back" was                                                               
just for the war-risk component that had been taken away.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON  specified that it  is just that component  for war-                                                               
risk [insurance] that is being presented in [Items 133-135].                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2025                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  suggested  the  risk  in  rural  areas                                                               
wouldn't  be  nearly as  high  as  in  Anchorage or  Newark  [New                                                               
Jersey].    She  surmised  that   for  smaller  airports  in  the                                                               
Southeast Region,  there would be  a much better rate  because of                                                               
the lower risk, which would be  the reason for the smaller dollar                                                               
amount being requested there.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON answered:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Quite frankly, ... I think  that's purely an allocation                                                                    
     throughout  the segments  of  the  operating budget  of                                                                    
     [DOT&PF].     There's  no   different  rate   from  the                                                                    
     underwriter.   We have,  for our  risk, a  single rate:                                                                    
     it protects all  of our aircraft, all  of our airports,                                                                    
     and our spaceport, quite frankly.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked how short "short-term" is.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON answered:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This  purchase of  the 480  [thousand  dollars] was  to                                                                    
     replenish,  to  150  [million dollars],  what  we  had,                                                                    
     through the end of this  term.  The projection for [FY]                                                                    
     03 is also  ... presented, ... and we do  not know with                                                                    
     any certainty what the costs  will be on renewal ... at                                                                    
     7/1 [the beginning of the next fiscal year].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
AN UNIDENTIFIED  SPEAKER asked whether  this represents  seven or                                                               
eight months' worth of coverage.  [There was no response.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1943                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI referred  to  discussion  in the  House                                                               
Labor and Commerce  Standing Committee [which she  chairs] of the                                                               
widespread increase  in insurance costs  as a consequence  of the                                                               
September 11 events.   She suggested this  particular instance is                                                               
one "where  they get you  coming and  going."  She  asked whether                                                               
any assistance is being discussed on the federal level.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON offered his belief that  there is still an effort to                                                               
seek  a  federalized  program to  assist  the  total  reinsurance                                                               
market -  not just  for aviation  or marine  insurance.   He said                                                               
other countries have done so  following September 11, "addressing                                                               
airports."   While  Canada stepped  in at  the federal  level and                                                               
extended an umbrella to airport  operators, the United States did                                                               
not.   Noting that he  has information  from all over  the world,                                                               
Mr. Thompson  said many  [countries provide  this] on  a national                                                               
level to  address terrorism,  especially the  European countries,                                                               
which have  experienced [terrorism] for years.   Emphasizing that                                                               
it is  a very difficult  issue for the reinsurers,  he concluded,                                                               
"But any certainty - I don't know."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1864                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  returned attention to  Item 107, the  law enforcement                                                               
presence,  fingerprinting  requirements,  and   so  forth.    She                                                               
informed   the   committee   that  Congress   had   passed   some                                                               
appropriation   bills;  specifically,   $175  million   was  made                                                               
available  for operating  expenses for  small, rural  airports in                                                               
the U.S. as  a result of September  11.  "We have  applied to FAA                                                               
for  a portion  of  that,"  she reported.    "And  it looks  very                                                               
hopeful  that we  will ...  may be  receiving federal  dollars to                                                               
cover  these expenses.    And so  we  may be  coming  in with  an                                                               
amendment to change these from general  fund to federal - just so                                                               
you know that we are pursuing that."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1806                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CHENAULT asked  whether there  was any  idea of  an amount                                                               
[DOT&PF]  would  be  looking  at   receiving,  in  federal  funds                                                               
overall, not just for this particular item.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE  said she didn't  have that  figure.  She  pointed out                                                               
that the items for the  Anchorage International Airport are quite                                                               
large, and  she said  most have been  identified [by  DOT&PF] for                                                               
federal funding.  She added:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Some  of them  ...  we've  requested specifically  from                                                                    
     another  $1.5-billion   appropriation  bill   that  the                                                                    
     Congress has  also, which  would include  operating and                                                                    
     capital expenditures.  And so  we're pursuing that; ...                                                                    
     I  believe June  is the  deadline for  that. ...  If we                                                                    
     don't get  that, then there's  also ... the  ability to                                                                    
     use  some of  our airport  improvement program  funding                                                                    
     towards  ... some  of these  items.   So  I don't  know                                                                    
     exactly how  much we could anticipate  from the federal                                                                    
     government, but I think a  large portion of it could be                                                                    
     covered, specifically for the airports.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHENAULT  thanked testifiers  and asked whether  there were                                                               
further questions; none were offered.  [HB 324 was held over.]                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects